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Tag Archives: Banuelos
S.T. Game 19. Final spring training game sees Yanks lose 5-3; Couple of rookies make the opening day squad; AAA season starts tonight.
As you may know, I also post on the minors throughout the year. There was one thing over 2014 that disturbed me, and that was the lack of innings I was seeing from Manny Banuelos.
Now I know that Banuelos was coming back off of Tommy John surgery. He missed most of 2012 and all of 2013. So “babying” him at the beginning of the year was no surprise.
But over the course of the year, I kept waiting for outings that were longer. Where were the five, six, seven inning outings? Banuelos started 25 games in 2014, relieved in one more and threw a total of 76 2/3 innings. That is 3 innings/start and a 1 2/3 inning relief outing if you want to look at it that way.
Starters need to give innings. Banuelos didn’t in 2014 whether it be to his fault or the Yanks babying him. But here is another thing. With young pitchers, you don’t want to increase their workload more than 30 innings from the previous year. Which means only 107 innings in 2015? That, for a starter, won’t do.
Which is why the Yanks may have seen him as only a reliever. And if they saw it that way, Banuelos was in trouble and it could be why he was traded. Miller, Wilson, Shreve are three lefties that could all be with the Yanks in 2015. All have MLB experience.
Then you have fast-rising Jacob Lindgren. The Yanks first round pick of 2015 went 2-1, 2.16 in 19 games from rookie ball right through AA and struck out 48 in 25 innings. You read that right. Fast riser, indeed. While Shreve is 24, Lindgren is 22 soon.
Then you have Tyler Webb, 24, who went from A to AAA last year, 3-6, 3.80, 12 saves and 94 K in 68 2/3 IP.
James Pazos, 23, was in A and AA last year. 0-3, 2.42, 10 saves and 75 K in 67 IP.
Four lefties, 24 years old or less, and that is not counting Miller or Wilson, and all with K/IP ratios of over 1.00. Good.
Maybe Cashman takes two of them and uses them in a package deal for a solid starter, maybe not. But if Banuelos couldn’t give the innings as a starter, and the Yanks thought he would have to go to relief, he had stiff competition.
Not only that, but as a starter he had competition. Jaron Long, a righty (Kevin Long’s son) went 12-5, 2.18 between A and AA levels in 2014. He actually threw 144 1/3 innings in 2014. By contrast, Banuelos has topped 100 innings pitched in a season only once since 2009.
I’m not sold yet on Chase Whitley (started great, 2.56 ERA but wound up 4-3, 5.23, he’s 25) Esmiel Rogers or Bryan Mitchell (unimpressive minor league numbers) but don’t forget about Luis Severino.
Severino, 21 in February, was 6-5, 2.46, in going from Low A to AA last year. He struck out 127 in 113 1/3 IP. Hopefully he can be stretched out to 145 innings or so. Who knows if he can make a jump from AA to the majors. Maybe in 2016.
There is only so much room. There were lefty relievers ahead of Man-Ban on the depth chart, and apparently he dropped behind some other pitchers as a starter too, like Long and Severino.
That is, if the Yanks still considered Banuelos to be a starter. After averaging just three innings per start last year, and having only one season of 100 or more innings since 2009, maybe they didn’t.
And if so, it cleared the way for Man-Ban to be dealt, while his stock was still good.
For if Banuelos (Man-Ban) had a year in 2015 like he had in 2014, the Yanks wouldn’t get two major leaguers, one a 24 year old prospect who has already hit the majors for him.
You wonder what, if anything, that they would have gotten then.
Just a couple of years ago, Manny Banuelos was considered a future Yankees rotation standout; a future ace. He’s not 24 yet, but it won’t happen with the Yankees.
Banuelos, whose career has been derailed due to Tommy John surgery, was traded by the Yanks to the Braves today for two pitchers.
Banuelos was 4-1, 2.57 at the age of 17 for the Yanks’ rookie league team in 2008. In 2009, he went 9-5, 2.64 in A ball at the age of 18. The future looked really good. In 15 starts in 2010, he was just 0-4, but his ERA was 2.51 and he made it up to AA at the age of 19. Even people like Mariano Rivera were starting to take notice. In 2011, Banuelos went 6-7, 3.75 between AA and AAA. He was still only 20. It appeared that by 2014 he would be in the majors.
Then came 2012, and Banuelos pitched in only six games, going 0-2, 4.50 at AAA before his year came to an end. He needed TJ surgery and missed the rest of 2012 and all of 2013.
This past season, Banuelos started 25 games and relieved in one more between high A, AA and AAA. But in those 26 games (25 starts), he only pitched 76 2/3 innings—-about three innings a start. Whether it was Banuelos, or the Yanks being careful with him after TJ surgery, that wasn’t good enough.
Banuelos went 2-3, 4.11, in 2014 and the Yanks felt he regressed to the point where he was available. Not 24 yet, Banuelos may still salvage the promise expected of him, but not for the Yankees. In his minor league career, Banuelos is 21-22, 3.29. He has exactly 446 strikeouts in 446 IP.
In return for Banuelos, the Yanks picked up David Carpenter, 29, a righty reliever who seems to be an upgrade from Shawn Kelley, who the Yanks dealt to San Diego a few days ago. Carpenter comes recommended by Brian McCann, who caught Carpenter while McCann was in Atlanta. While Kelley had a 4.40 ERA in his two seasons with the Yanks, Carpenter was 6-4, 3.54 in 2014 for the Braves, with 67 K in 61 IP, 3 saves. ERA+ 103. In 2013, Carpenter was 4-1, 1.78 for Atlanta, ERA+ 211. For his career, he is 11-10, 3.62, 4 saves, ERA+ 105.
Also coming to the Yanks is lefty reliever Chasen Shreve, 24, who made his MLB debut with the Braves in 2014, pitching in 15 games and striking out 15 in 12 1/3 IP. 0-0, 0.73. In the minors in 2014, Shreve was 5-3, 2.67 with 87 K in 64 IP.
As far as lefty relievers, the Yanks now have Andrew Miller, Justin Wilson, Shreve, and have Jacob Lindgren and two others on the way. Six lefty relievers to choose from and all under 30.
You wonder if more moves are coming. You make moves out of a position of strength and you wonder if some of these lefty relievers (and youth) could be dealt in a HUGE deal.
In any case, the Yanks’ bullpen looks pretty strong. Betances, Miller, Wilson, Shreve, German (picked up from the Mets), Warren (if he isn’t going into the rotation), Whitley (rotation?), Rogers (same?)… There are a lot of bullpen choices here, even if none is a proven closer.
As far as the rotation… Tanaka (hope the elbow holds up, and he’s just 26), Pineda (same) and Eovaldi (25) are young. Ivan Nova is under 30. Then you have CC and Capuano, both older.
More of a youth movement. The pitching is shaping up, it appears as if the Yanks are going young at the DP combination (Gregorious and Refsnyder or Pirela). The offense still worries me (Teix/A-Rod/Beltran/McCann/Headley).
But maybe more moves are coming. It appears so.