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Miller, Simmons make HOF. Munson, Mattingly and John come up short.

Yankee Stadium Frieze

It would have been nice to see two or even three Yankee captains entering the HOF on the same day but it won’t happen.

Thurman Munson and Don Mattingly were not elected to the HOF yesterday by a committee, so neither will be joining Derek Jeter (expected to get in, perhaps unanimously, by the writers) and Tommy John was not elected either.

Elected were Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons.

Miller, who died in 2012 at the age of 95, was a union leader who fought for players rights, such as free agency and against the reserve clause and as a result, player’s salaries skyrocketed.

Simmons, a switch-hitting C, played for St. Louis 1968-1980, Milwaukee 1981-1985, and Atlanta 1986-1988. He helped the Brewers win the 1982 AL Pennant. He got MVP consideration 7x, finished in the top 10 3x, and was an 8x All Star. His 162 g. average was .285-16-92 with an OPS+ of 118. He hit .186-3-8 in 17 postseason games. He had 2472 hits and 248 HR.

No Q.O. for Didi. John, Munson, Mattingly on Modern Baseball Era ballot for HOF consideration. Boone up for MOY.

Yankee Stadium Frieze

The Yankees did not extend a qualifying offer of $17.8MM to Didi Gregorius. If he leaves as a free agent, the Yanks receive no compensation.

It could be that the Yanks want him back, but at less than that figure. But Didi now can talk to anyone.

Didi made $11.75MM last season, when he missed a significant amount of time recovering from TJ surgery. He played in 82 games, and despite hitting 16 HR and driving in 61 runs, only hit .238 with an OPS+ of 87. It was his worst OPS+ since his first year with the Yanks in 2015.

One other problem is that Didi didn’t walk much. His OBP was just .276.

As such, the Yanks probably didn’t think a raise from $11.75MM to $17.8MM was warranted or deserved. IF the Yanks want him back, it probably would be for less than $17.8MM.

Didi hopes to return. We will see.


From MLB.com:

Gregorius was one of seven Yankees to hit free agency on Halloween, following right-hander Dellin Betances, outfielder Brett Gardner, right-hander Cory Gearrin (who I don’t expect back), outfielder Cameron Maybin (questionable), catcher Austin Romine (would he come back as a backup or does he want to start elsewhere) and retired left-hander CC Sabathia.

As you know, the Yankees declined a $20 million option on first baseman Edwin Encarnacion, instead paying him a $5 million buyout.

Of that group, the Yankees seem most likely to pursue a reunion with Gardner, who could man center field in the wake of Aaron Hicks’ Tommy John surgery.

The Yankees announced the following roster moves on Monday:

• Reinstated 3B Miguel Andújar, 1B Greg Bird, OF Jacoby Ellsbury and RHP Jonathan Holder from the 60-day injured list.

• Reinstated RHP Jake Barrett from the 60-day IL and outrighted him to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

• LHP Tyler Lyons has elected free agency in lieu of accepting an outright assignment to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.


BBWAA awards:

Aaron Boone has been named as one of three finalists for AL Mgr. of the Year.

D.J. LeMahieu may get consideration for MVP, but he won’t be in the top 3. The top 3 are Bregman, Trout and Semien but the order won’t be revealed until Nov. 14.


Also from MLB.com:

The National Baseball Hall of Fame announced 10 candidates under consideration for induction as part of the 2020 Modern Baseball Era ballot: Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker.

Is Jeter primed for a comeback season?

David Phelps says that Derek Jeter looks “amazing” in workouts so far.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/fellow-yankee-captain-amazing-workouts-article-1.1603307

We’ll see if it translates to spring training and the regular season, because Yankees fans do have a right to be concerned. Jeter broke an ankle in Game 1 of the 2012 ALCS and was limited to 17 games and a .190 average last year. He turns 40 in June and well, you don’t see too many 40 year old shortstops.

In another story, when the Yanks were discussing catching needs, Gene Michael stated to get McCann, because he reminded Gene of Michael’s ex-teammate, Thurman Munson. High praise, indeed. When told that, Hal Steinbrenner’s response was “Go get him,” which the Yanks did at 5 years, $85MM.

You may recall that McCann blocked the plate last year when an opposing player went deep and then cursed at players while rounding the bases. You have to like that fire, intensity and commitment to playing the game right.

We’ve had too much snow and ice in the Northeast (where I live) lately. Bring on spring.

Happy b/day to Hank Aaron, who turned 80 yesterday. As for today, it was on this date that Babe Ruth was born in 1895.

A Catching Lineage.

As I mentioned in the previous post about Posada, NO team can match the Yankees’ catching lineage. NONE. Let’s briefly look at that lineage.

1) Bill Dickey. HOF. #8 retired by the Yanks. Yanks 1928-1943, 1946.
.313 BA. 202 HR. OPS+ 127. 5th, 5th, 2nd and 6th in MVP voting 1936-1939. 8th in 1943 (a WWII year) at the age of 36. (Yanks mgr. 1946).

2) Yogi Berra. HOF. #8 retired by the Yanks. Yanks 1947-1963, Mets 1965. Yanks mgr. 1964, 1984-1985. MVP 1951, 1954, 1955.
How about this run? 3rd, 1st, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st and 2nd in MVP voting from 1950-1956.
.285 BA. 358 HR. OPS+ 125.

3) Elston Howard. #32 retired, Yankees 1955-1967, Red Sox 1967-1968.
1963 MVP. Also 10th in MVP 1961, 3rd in 1964.
.274, 167 HR. OPS+ 108.
Had he not died at age 51, could he have become the first black manager of a NY team?

4) Thurman Munson. #15 retired. Yankees 1969-1979.
Untimely death at age 32.
Could he have become a Yankees mgr.?
.292, 113 HR, OPS+ 116; MVP in 1976. 7th in 1975 and 1977.

5) Jorge Posada. #20 (we’ll see). Yankees 1995-2011.
HOF? (We’ll see). Future Yankees Mgr.? (likewise).
.273, 275 HR, OPS+ 121.  3rd in MVP voting 2003, 6th in 2007.

SB by a catcher.

On the LoHud blog, it’s noted that Russell Martin’s 8th sb is the 3rd most by a Yankees catcher in the past 50 years.

Joe Girardi had 13 in 1996. Thurman Munson had 14 in 1976, but 11 were as as a catcher, 3 at other positions (LF, RF, DH). They only went back 50 years. Elston Howard was SLOW. 9 for 23 in his career. Yogi was 30 for 56 in his career. Bill Dickey was 36 for 68 in his career. I haven’t gone back in time, but 50 years? More like Martin is 3rd most by a Yankees catcher in at least 80 years.

Ridiculous assertions.

I see criticism because apparently no Yankee attended Bob Sheppard’s funeral.

That criticism, I think, is unjust. Maybe the Sheppard family wanted it that way to avoid a media circus.

Also,  the team wasn’t together. It happened over the All-Star break, and the players who didn’t go to Anaheim probably took the time to go home to their families. To the parents,  wives and children they see far too infrequently while they are flying around the country. Mariano, for instance, probably flew home to Panama. Maybe Jorge went home to Puerto Rico for a couple of days, I don’t know. The point is, those couple of days, for many, are a chance to reacquaint themselves with family. Or have we forgotten the reason Thurman Munson bought that plane?

Huh? Questions about the Lineup’s picks again…this time at 3B and next week—SS.

No, the lineup did choose the right guy for #1 at 3B–A-Rod.

It’s the four below him I question. They did pick Graig Nettles and Red Rolfe as I thought they should. It’s the other two I question.

Howard Johnson for the Mets? I wondered about that one myself and was tempted. I chose David Wright, however.

HoJo was with the Mets from 1985-1993. He hit 192 HR as a Met, but had just a .251 BA with them. 124 OPS+. His career 162 g. average was .249-24-80, OPS+ 117. Average not hot, but good OPS+. Good speed, too, as he went 30-30 three times for the Mets (1987, 1989 and 1991) and led the NL in HR in 1991 with 38. He also led the league in RBI that year. His OPS+ numbers with the Mets? 94, 118, 133, 124, 169, 106, 145, 91, 98.  10th in MVP voting in 1987, 5th in 1989 and 1991. Didn’t think the numbers were that good, do you? Four times did Johnson steal 30 or more. After turning 30, however, Johnson’s numbers dropped like a rock in water. 1987-1991 superb, but his numbers before and after weren’t. His postseason numbers make A-Rod’s previous struggles pale in comparison. 1 for 26 in the postseason. Not the greatest glove.

Wright had a tough year in adjusting to Citi Field. Just 10 HR last year. He has a long way to go, as he has only had five full seasons as a Met. In those years however, Wright has had two 30 HR seasons, one a 30/30, to HoJo’s three. His 162 g. average to date is .308-27-107, OPS+ 136. He has won two GG (two more than HoJo) and has finished in the top 10 for MVP voting 3x (same as HoJo). Maybe the panel didn’t feel like Wright has done enough yet to put him over HoJo. I disagree.

As for the other spot, Clete Boyer was selected. I was tempted to put Frank Baker there, but Home Run Baker’s dead ball era HOF stats were best with the Philadelphia A’s, not with the Yankees.

But here is my biggest gripe with the Lineup. How can they put Gary Carter—who only had two really good years in NY, and who was selected over Dickey and Munson—on the all-time NY team for catchers, but not put Wade Boggs on for 3B?

Yes, I know Boggs had his best years in Boston. But if you choose Carter over Dickey and Munson, how do you not then choose Boggs over Boyer?

Yes, I know Boyer had the better glove. He also couldn’t hit.

Boyer hit .241 as a Yankee, .242 in his career. His 162 g. average was .242-15-61, OPS+ just 87. A lot of Gold Gloves he could have won, he didn’t because of Brooks Robinson. Boyer was a full-time player from 1960-1966 with the Yankees. He hit .224 in 1961, .218 in 1964.

Boggs was with the Yankees for just five years, but hit .292 or better in each of those years. The .292 was the only year under .300. As a Yankee, Boggs hit .313. His 162 g. average for his career was .328-8-67 and his great eye for a walk led to a career OPS+ of 130 (111 as a Yankee). Over 3000 hits in his career. A HOF. Not the fielder Boyer was, but still 2 GG.

The OPS+ numbers for Boggs as a Yankee weren’t as good as in Boston, 104, 141, 119, 98 and 102, but they were still better than Boyer’s.

But I repeat…how can Carter (see a previous post on that) get on over Dickey and Munson when Carter had only two good NY years, but Boggs lose out to Boyer?

Next week? The SS. We know who’ll be #1…and he wears #2 (Jeter). One #1 will wind up one of the runnerups (Pee Wee Reese) along with Rizzuto. Who’ll be the other two?

UPDATE: Already I see a HUGE problem with the SS picks. No, not with Jeter, Scooter or Pee Wee, but with the other choices. I mean, WHERE IS ALVIN DARK? He is not even one of the choices that you can select….but Kevin Elster is? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Elster: .228 career hitter, OPS+ 83. .224 in seven years with the Mets. In 40 games with the Yankees, he went 2 for 37. Elster had three years in NY where he played in 100 or more games. Those years?

1988. .214-9-37. OPS+ 75
1989. .231-10-55 OPS+ 87
1991 .241-6-36 OPS+ 89

Alvin Dark. NYG 1950-1956. 1951 NL Pennant Giants, 1954 WS Champs.
Career .289 hitter with an OPS+ of 98.

23 HR in 1953, 20 in 1954. Not the glove of Elster, but a far better bat. 5th in MVP voting in 1954. .300 or better, 1951-1953.

Not only that, Dave Bancroft isn’t on the list. Only 4 years with the NYG, 1920-1923, but a HOF who hit .300 or better 1921-1923.

Elster on the list over Dark and Bancroft. You gotta be ****ing kidding me.     

But then, they’ll probably take .236 hitting Buddy Harrelson as one of their backups, while not even nominating Dark or Bancroft.

You gotta be kidding me.