Tag Archives: Rule 5 Draft

Yanks lose players in Rule 5 draft.

Yankee Stadium Frieze

Before I get into this year’s rule 5 draft, an explanation from Wikipedia:

Description

As in the amateur draft, the selection order of the teams is based on each team’s win-loss record from the prior regular season, each round starting with the team with the worst record and proceeding in order to the team with the best record. Any player selected under Rule 5 is immediately added to his new team’s 40-man roster; thus, teams who do not have an available roster spot may not participate in the Rule 5 draft.Players who are not currently on their team’s 40-man roster are eligible to be selected in the Rule 5 draft, but only after a standard exemption period has elapsed. See Selection eligibility below.

If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team’s 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft—he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice.Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team’s 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment.

To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 days in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements.

Any player chosen in the Rule 5 draft may be traded to any team while under the Rule 5 restrictions, but the restrictions transfer to the new team. If the new team does not want to keep the player on its 25-man roster for the season, he must be offered back to the team of which he was a member when chosen in the draft.

Selection eligibility

Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization’s 40-man roster and:

  • were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or
  • were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming.

These exemption periods (one year longer than those in effect previously) went into effect as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement in October 2006. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing.

Cost and example

To prevent excessive turnover in the minor league levels, each draftee costs $50,000. If the draftee does not stay on the selecting team’s 25-man (major league) roster all season, the player must be offered back to his original team at half-price ($25,000). Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000).[3]

The Rule 5 draft has opened opportunities for teams to take other teams’ top prospects who may not be ready for the major leagues. A prominent example is Johan Santana, who was chosen in the 1999 Rule 5 draft by the Florida Marlins when the Houston Astros declined to put him on their 40-man roster, and then traded to the Minnesota Twins in a pre-arranged deal.[4] The Twins kept Santana on their roster for the 2000 season, despite the pitcher’s subpar performance that season (6.49 ERA) which was unsurprising given his youth and inexperience. After the 2000 season, the Twins had the right to option Santana to their minor league system, but chose not to during the 2001 season. He was briefly optioned to Class AAA at the start of the 2002 season, then returned to the major leagues at the end of May and established himself as an above-average pitcher; he went on to win Cy Young Awards in 2004 and 2006. Santana had not played above Class A in minor league baseball before being chosen in the Rule 5 draft,[5] and he likely would not have made his major league debut until at least the 2001 or the 2002 season with the Astros, if at all.[citation needed]

The Yanks lost these players in the Rule 5 draft on Thursday (you can’t protect everyone, and with the Yanks’ strong farm system…..)

RHP Angelo Gomez to the Braves.

LHP Nestor Cortes to the Orioles. Cortes just turned 23 and in A+, AA and AAA went 7-4, 2.06 this year.

1B Mike Ford to Seattle. 25, a lefty hitter. Between AA/AAA hit .270-20-86.

RHP Jose Mesa, the son of the long term reliever Jose Mesa. to the Orioles.

RHP Yancoules Baez to the Twins.

C Sharif Othman, 28, to Miami. Othman was only in High A/AA and hit .223-7-22 in 72 games. A bit old to be in the low minors.

Pardon my spelling on some players.

The Yanks did take OF Junior Soto from Cleveland. A righty hitter, he was in A ball and hit .172-9-17 in 52 games. Just 20.  This was in the minor league portion of the draft and not the portion described above.

 

Crawford to Boston for 7 yrs and $142M

Ouch.

Woke up to find out Carl Crawford went to Boston for 7 years and $142M. That Werth signing messed everything up. I had Werth to Boston, Crawford to the Angels. Once Werth went to DC, all bets went off, I suppose.

Boston now has a good lineup with speed. As written somewhere, it could look like this: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Crawford, Gonzalez, Youkilis, Ortiz, Drew, Catcher (Saltalamacchia? Aging Varitek? Will they go after Martin?) and Scutaro. Rotation Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Laptops, Lackey and if needed Wakefield (at 44).

The Red Sox 2010 missed the playoffs much as the Yanks of 2008 did. (In fact, both teams had the same record—89 wins). Now Boston is attacking the winter of 2010/2011 as the Yanks did 2008/2009. Yankees fans hope the result is different—otherwise Beantown will have a parade in early November 2011.

Some speed there with Ellsbury and Crawford. At the top of the lineup and in the OF. Think Francona wants to test the Yankees’ catchers out right now?

Do the Angels now focus on Lee? I don’t know. Their focus is more on improving their offense and as such, Beltre could be their #1 target now.

But as for the Yanks, this necessitates getting Lee even more. Especially with the uncertainty of Pettitte’s return.

A Tweet from Sweeny Murti of WFAN:

Guess Yanks do believe 7 yr offer now. Improving their bid so soon tells you how badly they want/need Lee.

Hmmm….Yanks going the painful extra mile and a 7th year? If so, 7 years and 165 M? (That’s 23.57 per). Whew.

You wonder if this now puts Boston over the top as 2011 AL East favorites. If so, I’d still have the Yanks as the wild card for now (pre-Lee). How far the Rays drop will be interesting since Crawford, Benoit, Bartlett (SD) and Pena are gone, and Soriano is to follow. Navarro (not a recent help) went to the Dodgers. That will be one different team and could be passed by Toronto if the Blue Jays can make some good moves. The Orioles are looking to improve but from what I’ve seen haven’t done anything significant yet. Targets (Konerko) still don’t go to Baltimore. I’d expect Buck to have them playing better in 2011 but wonder if it’ll be enough to keep the O’s out of the AL East basement. The O’s are sending prospects to the Twins for J.J. Hardy, though.

Another note from Murti, and a good one:

BOS adding LH bats Crawford and Gonzalez just made LH reliever more important for NYY. Also more expensive! (Downs? Feliciano?)

Remember Logan is all the Yanks have right now. Marte not back until mid-August (if EVER). Logan 2.93 was far lower than he ever put up before. It now looks as if Downs, Feliciano or Romero now a necessity as well. Reyes has signed with the Phils. 

Now here is class. From LoHud. A tweet from Curtis Granderson yesterday:

One year ago today, I was traded to the 27-time World Champion NY Yankees. Thank you fans, teammates, and front office for an amazing year.

I see a report that KC got Melky.

In the Rule 5 draft, the Yanks took 22 year old Robert Fish, a lefty pitcher, from the Angels. In high A/AA in 2010, Fish was just 5-5, 6.79 but did have 73 K in 58 1/3.  They also took Right-hander Daniel Turpen, who went 7-6 with a 4.30 ERA in Double-A last season, out of the Red Sox chain.

The Padres took George Kontos from the Yankees. Kontos, 24, was 0-4, 3.60 for A+/AA/AAA in 2010 for the Yanks farm teams. Lance Pendleton was taken by the Astros. Pendleton was 12-5, 3.61 AA/AAA in 2010 but is 27. More later.   

Update, 12/10/10: Reported that the Angels offered 6 and $108M but were blown away by Boston’s 7/142.

Update, 12/16: See Comments below for Bartlett.

Ultimatum to Andy? Yanks lose minor leaguers to Rule 5 draft.

Still waiting on the Cameron deal. Pete Abraham says:

This could be the lineup:

Damon LF
Jeter SS
Nady RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cameron CF
Cano 2B
Swisher 1B

Or something like that.

Me? Ok top six. I’d move Cano to 7 and put Cameron 9. I want to bunch the speed 9-1-2 of Cameron, Damon and Jeter. I’d like the speed on the bases to resemble a top notch track team…that or a high-speed carousel. VERY high speed.

Meanwhile, Bryan Hoch at Bombers Beat says this:

The rumored trade for Mike Cameron appears to have hit a financial snag, and it’s not difficult to understand why. While the Yankees were willing to give up Melky Cabrera, they asked the Brewers for some help with the $10 million that Cameron is owed for 2009.

The entire baseball world heard the thud when Cashman dropped $161 million on CC Sabathia’s doorstep in Vallejo, so you can just imagine their reaction when the Yankees rattled the tin cup.

Let me get this straight. Now I’m a diehard Yankee fan (hence this blog), but the Yanks want the Brewers to help? After the Yanks just took CC away from them with that whopping offer? Would anyone be surprised if the Brewers said “drop dead” in response? I mean, come on.

I mentioned in a previous post today that Andy better act. Abraham reports that

Brian Cashman, according to the Post, flew to Texas to meet with Andy Pettitte in Houston. The well-traveled GM is probably arriving with an ultimatum.

In essence: take it or leave it.

Just like I wrote earlier today.

Abraham, Joel Sherman and I are in agreement. Andy has to realize he owes the Yanks one here. He doesn’t have much sympathy on that. After the Yanks stood up for him at the HGH press conference, the testimony to Congress, etc., that…and the fact that struggling people will give him NO SYMPATHY over a pay cut from $16 to $10 M. With so many people out of work, players should realize how good they have it. I know many are upset at the amount of $$$$$ Sabathia is going to get and how much A-Rod is getting. These people will shed crocodile tears over Andy’s pay cut. People struggling to find a job, make house and car payments, feed their families… and players making so much and who have it made (not to mention having it made for a couple of their future generations) not wanting a paycut? As many people I know would say, “Give me a break…”

Forget Nick Punto. He went back to the Twins. Kyle Farnsworth(less) winds up in KC on a two-year deal.

Yankee minor leaguers claimed by other teams in the Rule 5 draft were:

Ivan Nova by SD, 8-13, 4.36 in High A. Age 21, 22 in January, RHP
Reegie Corona by Seattle. .274-3-39 at AA. 2B/SS. 24 SB. 22, switch-hitter.
Jason Jones by the Twins. 26, RHP. 13-7, 3.33 at AA, 0-1, 2.38 AAA (2 g.)
Zach Kroenke by Florida. 6-0, 3.09 AA, 1-0, 1.80 AAA. 24. LHP

BULLETIN BOARD MATERIAL: Espn has a report that Phils ace Cole Hamels, in an interview with WFAN 660 AM New York (the Mets flagship station), responded in the affirmative when asked if the Mets were “choke artists.” Wow. Someone should remind Hamels that he pitches in the NATIONAL League…where pitchers come to bat. I can’t wait until he faces the Mets for the first time and someone like John Maine dusts Hamels. This could get (as the Arte Johnson character on Laugh-In used to say) Very Interesting.
Arte Johnson
Arte can’t wait for the first Mets-Phils game
with Cole Hamels in 2009.

The Peavy to Cubs deal is dead for now. If Peavy really wants to leave SD, he best be advised to revise his no-trade list….and to include some AL teams.

More Moose. Utley out ’til June? Is DeJesus available? Hughes News.

I Should Have Known Better
Yes, I Should Have Known Better, but I had a Hard Day’s Night.

Hmmm. Last night before retiring, I wrote the Moose blog and wondered who, besides Mussina and Koufax, retired after a 20-win season. Today there is an ESPN article by Rob Neyer that states there are three other people who had 20 or more wins in their last year. Once I saw the article, I wanted to kick myself. I should have known two of the three. I’ll blame it on the fact I wrote last night’s column late.

I knew there had to be some kind of strange circumstance that happened. I mean, no one walks away from the game after winning 20, right? Unless you are Moose and had enough or Koufax who was in pain from chronic arthritis. So I was thinking of a special circumstance. WWI? WWII?

Instead, I forgot one very special circumstance. The 1920 White Sox had four 20-game winners. They didn’t win the pennant. Observers could sense a certain “disconnect” amongst the team. There were rumors, and in the end, two of the four 20-game winners (Eddie Cicotte and Claude “Lefty” Williams) were thrown out of baseball. You got it, the 1919 Black Sox Scandal (the other 20 game winners were Red Faber and Dickie Kerr). I should have known Cicotte and Williams. After all, I did see the film “Eight Men Out.”

As for the other guy, read Neyer’s article.

More on Mussina. King, George A. III reports that Moose will be in Tampa next spring as an instructor. Cool. Moose’s best games as a Yankee both came against Boston. His near-perfect game in 2001 (nine days before 9/11) and the relief appearance in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. More than 100 games over .500. Unfortunately for Moose, no WS ring.

Yesterday I remarked about what the Royals will do with Gathright now that they have the “Cereal Man,” Coco Crisp. I didn’t think DeJesus would be available. I thought if anything, Gathright would be getting the heave-ho. DeJesus? Not after .307-12-73, OPS+ 119. (Remember 100 = league average. 119 means DeJesus was 19% better than the average league hitter in On-Base Pct + Slugging Ave.) King writes that while a Royals official said the club isn’t looking to deal DeJesus (a Rutgers and Brooklyn guy), baseball officials believe KC will shop the soon-to-be 29 yr. old OF. The Yanks (and I) have liked him for a while. Lefty bat, 162 g. ave. .287-11-71-10 SB and 105 OPS+. Before the Yanks signed Damon, I was interested in DeJesus or Victorino. I wouldn’t mind seeing the “Road Runner,” Brett Gardner, getting a shot, but if DeJesus is available, I certainly would see what the Royals would want for him. Pete Abraham calls it a fantasy, but hey, it never hurts to ask.

ESPN states that Aaron Heilman wants to start. It’s “Start me or Trade Me” regarding him and the Mets. I don’t think someone 3-8, 5.21, ERA+ 81 should be making demands, do you? It’s not like he had great success as a starter before going to the bullpen either. 5-13, 5.93 in 25 games.

It’s hard to repeat, and the Phils could be finding out why. 2B Chase Utley will require hip surgery that will keep him out four to six months. Meaning worst-case scenario he is out until June. 3B Pedro Feliz needs lower back surgery but should be back opening day.

It looks like Trever Miller will be leaving the Rays for St. Louis. Miller will be 36 next May and was 2-0, 2 saves, 4.15, ERA+ 107 for the AL Champs this year. Career 14-14, 4.43, ERA+ 101, 10 saves.

Winter League: With my DSL problems of last night, I didn’t catch this Pete Abraham posting until today:

Phil Hughes in his final start in the Arizona Fall League tonight (last night, the 19th):

5 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 10 strikeouts. 76 pitches/53 strikes.

So Hughes stats were 2-0, 3.00, 7 starts, 30.0 IP, 21 H, 38 K, 13 walks.
When he was on, VERY on, when not…

but remember….he is 22. Inconsistency comes with that age.

For more winter league Yankee stats, go here.

Rats. Steelers/Bengals tonight (for both, a VERY short week) and it’s NFL Network. Ugh. I don’t get the NFL Network. This Steeler fan will be on the computer, radio, etc., trying to follow the game.

Finally, this from Pete Abraham.

Based entirely on the fine work of Chad Jennings, here are some of the notable players who are now eligible to be selected in the Rule 5:

Pitchers: J.B. Cox, Alan Horne, Jason Jones, Zach Kroenke, Kevin Whelan

Infielders: Reegie Corona, Ramiro Pena, Eric Duncan

Now keep in mind that a player selected in the Rule 5 Draft must stay on the major league roster the entire season or he offered back to his original club. So it’s not like the Yankees are casting these guys out. Horne is coming off surgery and is unlikely to be taken. Whelan is coming off a decent stint in the AFL (17.1 11 5 4 14 21). Jones and Kroenke had good seasons in AA.

I suspect the Yankees will at least get a player selected, maybe Cox. But other right-handed relievers have gone past him in the last two years.

The Yankees still have a few players on the 40-man who may or may not be in the plans. But for now at least, guys like Cody Ransom, Justin Christian, Chris Britton and Shelley Duncan remain Yankees.

Stats?

Cox 5-4, 4.07 (mostly AAA), Horne had a great AA in 2007, injured for most of a terrible 2008.
Jones 13-8, 3.26, mostly AA. Whelan 3-0, 4.50, mostly AA. Kroenke 6-0, 3.09, 1 s, AA.

Eric Duncan was a Rule 5 last year. No one wanted him. I didn’t like him a couple of years ago and said he’d never make it. I got blasted by some people. Still think he is a prospect? I mean, it’s the second year the Yanks made him Rule 5 eligible, and he’ll probably be passed over again.

AA (both) 2B Corona .274-3-39, 24 SB; SS Pena .266-2-45.

Rule 5 Draft, 2007

I’ve been down on Eric Duncan for a couple of years now. Some still hold out hope for Duncan, whose last three years have seen .235, .234 and .241 since reaching the AA level. He has also seen a position switch from 3B to 1B. I wonder what Duncan’s supporters will think now that he was left unprotected and unselected in the Rule 5 Draft. I’ve seen Duncan several times at Trenton and SWB and came away unimpressed and disappointed.

Steven Jackson and Brett Smith were also unselected. Jackson was picked up from Arizona in the RJ deal, and he was 4-9, 5.40 between AA/AAA last year. He’ll be 26 next year. Brett Smith is 24. He started out fine at Trenton last year, going 7-4, 2.97 as part of that superb Trenton staff with Marquez and Horne (and Trenton later had Joba for a while, Kennedy for a while, and McCutchen. Also there at various times were Hughes on rehab, Chase Wright, and Ty Clippard). Smith was sent down to Tampa (Trenton needed to make room for the other guys) and was terrible at Tampa, going 0-6, 7.41. That is 7-10, 4.18 overall.

The Yanks did lose Michael Gardner to SD (that’s P Michael, not OF Brett), a righty reliever who was 3-5, 2.88, 2 saves at Trenton (AA). Gardner is 26. They picked up a righty reliever from Milwaukee named Bo Hall, who was 5-2, 3.46 at AA. It doesn’t look like a great gain or loss. When I saw Gardner, there was nothing that stood out to me.

You may remember that last year the Yanks picked up Josh Phelps in the Rule 5. Phelps got in 36 games for the Yanks, hit .263 in 80 at bats with 2 HR and 12 RBI. Only 4 of his 21 hits were for extra bases. He went .351-5-19 for the Pirates in 77 at bats. (Overall .306-7-31, 42 K in 157 AB) His glove and D was practically non-existent.

I listened to Sweeny Murti on the FAN for more on the Rule 5 draft. He was surprised that Eric Duncan wasn’t selected. As I mentioned, what does that tell you that he wasn’t selected?

In other news, I am hearing talk of Paul Lo Duca possibly going to the Jays, and see that Chris Shelton, who was an early season sensation for the Tigers in 2006, was traded to the Rangers–probably because the Tigers didn’t need him anymore after their recent acquistions. Washington has signed Aaron Boone.