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Tiger Town. Modern Era (1970-1987) Veterans’ Committee elects Morris & Trammell to HOF. Simmons just misses.

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The 16-member Modern Era (1970-1987) Veterans’ Committee elected former Tiger teammates Jack Morris and Alan Trammell to the Hall of Fame on Sunday.

You needed 12 votes or more to get in. Ex-Cardinal and Brewers catcher Ted Simmons just missed, getting 11 votes.

Morris pitched for the Tigers from 1977-1990, the Twins in 1991, and the Blue Jays 1992-1994. He was a 5x All-Star, and a WS winner in 1984, 1991 and 1992. He was the WS MVP in 1991.

Morris threw a no-hitter, and in his career was 254-186 with an ERA of 3.90, ERA+ 105. The ERA is probably what kept him out of the HOF until now. His 162 game average was 16-12, 3.90. Also, he is only listed as the 164th best pitcher of all-time on baseball reference.

But a big game pitcher, and a horse. A bulldog, if you will.

He twice led the league in wins. He led the league in games started twice and complete games once, innings pitched once, and strikeouts once.

He received CYA consideration 7x and MVP consideration 5x. He was a 20-game winner 3x.

In 1984, he went 19-11, 3.60 for the WS Champion Tigers. He won 2 WS games.

In 1991, he went 18-12, 3.43 for the WS Champion Twins, and earned WS MVP honors with his 10 inning shutout in Game 7 of the WS. He won 2 WS games.

He went 21-6, 4.04 for the 1992 Blue Jays, leading the majors in wins, but lost 2 WS games.

He also was on the 1993 Blue Jay team that won the WS, but was 7-12, 6.19 and left off the postseason roster. He went 7-4, 3.80 in the postseason in 13 starts, losing three of his last four postseason starts.

His teammate, Trammell, was a SS from 1977-1996, all with the Tigers. Trammell was the WS MVP for those 1984 Tigers. He hit .285 with over 2300 hits in his career.

He was a 6x All Star, 3x Silver Slugger and 4x Gold Glove winner.

He received MVP consideration 7x, and finished in the top 10 3x. He was runnerup for the MVP in 1987.

In 1984, he hit .314-14-69 with 19 SB. His OPS+ was 136.

In 1987, he hit .343-28-105 with 21 SB, OPS+ 155.

His 162 game average was .285-13-71 with 17 SB and an OPS+ of 110.

In 13 postseason games, he hit .333 with 3 hr and 11 RBI. He is listed as the 11th greatest SS of all-time, one notch above Derek Jeter.

Simmons, who missed by one vote, was with the Cardinals 1968-1980, the Brewers 1981-1985 and Braves 1986-1988.

Simmons, primarily a catcher, had over 2400 hits and was an 8x all-star and a 1x Silver Slugger who was overshadowed by Johnny Bench for much of his career.

Simmons received MVP consideration 7x, finishing in the top 10 3X.

His 162 game average was .285-16-92, OPS+ 118, and he is considered the 10th best catcher of all-time. His defense may be what is keeping him out of the HOF.

He was a consistent .300 hitter for a while, and drove in 100 runs in three different seasons.

He finally made the postseason in 1981 and 1982 with the Brewers, and in 17 postseason games hit .186-3-8.

Tough to miss out by just one vote.

 

 

 

 

This year’s HOF ballot

Chad Jennings gives his take on the LoHud blog, here is mine:

An X symbolizes who I would vote for if I had a vote. I believe voters can vote for up to 10. I choose seven.

The full list of candidates
Roberto Alomar X
Kevin Appier
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven X
Ellis Burks
Andre Dawson X
Andres Galarraga
Pat Hentgen
Mike Jackson
Eric Karros
Ray Lankford
Barry Larkin X
Edgar Martinez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff X
Mark McGwire
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Tim Raines X
Shane Reynolds
David Segui
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell X
Robin Ventura
Todd Zeile

Some are close calls. Parker, Murphy, Morris, Smith are to me, all close but no cigar. Others will disagree. Baines and Edgar are tough calls because of the DH. You would like to recognize their obvious offensive talents, but do you also detract because of the fact that their stats were padded because of the DH? Gallaraga good, but voters may (and count myself) take Colorado into account. McGwire in my mind, still needs to be “penalized.” Maybe one day the steroid era will be taken into account and something done about it. Until then the only way to get your point across is to keep them out of the HOF or make them wait until the very last ballot.

As for Donnie Baseball, you really wish you could vote for him. But the two distinctly separate careers hurt him. Awesome 1984-1989. Good 1990-1995. He needed more of those awesome years.

Some guys have better numbers than you’d think. Did you know that Ellis Burks hit .291 with 352 HR? Compare him to say Parker (.290, 339 HR) or Murphy (.265, 398 HR).

So, my magnificent seven:

Alomar. One of, if not THE, best second basemen I’ve ever seen. (Figure 1967 on). Right up there with Morgan at his peak. A five-tool player.  .300, 210 HR, 474 SB and 10 GG. Five top-six MVP finishes. A leader and star on three different playoff teams (Blue Jays, Orioles and Indians). To me, he—more than anyone—symbolized those 1991-1993 Toronto teams that won 3 division titles and 2 WS. 2724 hits. It’s still inexplicable to me his dropoff from 2001 to 2002 when he seemed to still have three or four more great years left. Only 33 in his last great year. The 1992 ALCS MVP.

Blyleven. I wish Kaat and John were on the ballot. All three are thisclose. Long careers. 280+ wins. Years of dominance, many years of very good. Tough calls on all three. Blyleven was only once a 20-game winner but wound up with 287 wins, a 118 ERA+ and 3701 K’s. On the 1979 Pirate and 1987 Twins WS Championship teams. 3.31 ERA (Kaat 283 wins, 1982 Cards at the end of his career, 3.45 ERA, 107 ERA+ Higher ERA and ERA+ 3x 20-game winner; John 288 wins, 3.34, 110 ERA+; Blyleven slightly better ERA+ than Kaat and John. 3x 20-game winner). All three are close. Kaat and John aren’t on the ballot however, and Bert is. The ERA+ for Bert is better. I feel he (3.31, 287 wins 118 ERA+) is much more deserving (despite one 20 win season) than Morris (3.90 ERA, 105 ERA+ but 3x 20-game winner).

Dawson. Knees ravaged from the turf in Montreal. But still 8 GG. “Only” .279 but over 2770 hits, 438 HR. Over 300 SB. 1987 MVP. Runnerup in 1981 and 1983. ROY 1977. He has his detractors, and his limited postseason play saw poor numbers.   

Larkin. I truly believe that you have to hold middle infielders to a different standard. You can’t compare Larkin and Trammell to a Parker, Murphy or McGwire. SS to OF/1B/DH are like apples to oranges, especially defensively. The 1995 MVP finished his career with a superb (for a SS) .295 BA and stole 379 SB. A 12X All-Star. HIt .338 in 17 postseason games.

Trammell. I jump to him to keep the SS together. Larkin had 2340 hits and a 162 g. average of .295-15-71-28 SB. Trammell was slightly below, .285 with 2365 hits. His 162 g. average was .285-13-71 with 17 SB. OPS+ numbers? Trammell 110, Larkin 116. Edge Larkin, but Trammell isn’t that far behind. Runnerup for the 1987 MVP in a close vote, and winner of the 1984 WS MVP. Once again, his postseason numbers are similar to Larkin—.333 in 13 games.

McGriff. Ok, he might be “borderline.” But his 493 HR (same as Gehrig) look more impressive when you compare him to the steroid boys. The Crime Dog had a .284 BA and an excellent 134 OPS+. His acquisition by Atlanta in 1993 enabled the Braves to catch SF in a truly remarkable pennant race for the NL West (the Braves moved to the NL East in 1994 when the two divisions became three and the wild-card [not needed with the 1994 strike] came into being). Never hit 40 but was remarkably consistent. 34-36-35-31-35-37-34 (strike year)-from 1988-1994. Six top-10 MVP finishes. Quiet and did his job. … and one of the worst trades the Yankees ever made when the Yanks traded the then-minor leaguer after the 1982 season. Hit .303 in the postseason with 10 HR.

Raines. I got into an argument with people several years ago and still defend Raines, who was one of the greatest leadoff hitters ever—only to be overshadowed by his contemporary, Rickey Henderson. Just look at last year, when Rickey made the HOF. Raines didn’t steal 1406 bases like Rickey, but 808 surely isn’t shabby, not to mention .294 and over 2600 hits.  

Those are my picks. If given a ballot, who would you vote for?

Interesting though….with McGriff, Alomar, Raines and Dawson on my list, it would be Canada’s (Toronto and Montreal) year.

Besides Alomar….three others next year, all with credentials, but how many votes?

Rob Neyer over at ESPN talks about the top four newcomers on next year’s ballot. One, Robbie Alomar, we have already touched on.

The three other top players coming onto the ballot include, as Neyer stated, McGriff (493 HR), Larkin, and Edgar Martinez.

Others include Ellis Burks (did you know Burks wound up with 352 HR?), Rod Beck, Andres Gallaraga (399 HR), Eric Karros, Robin Ventura, and Todd Zeile are on (although none of these players will probably draw anywhere near the 75% necessary for induction).

So Dawson and Blyleven face a little competition, not to mention holdovers like Morris, Raines and Co.

McGriff hit .284, 493 HR (matching Gehrig), OPS+ 134. Six top-10 finishes in MVP. 2490 hits. Solid in the postseason. 50 games, .303-10-37. Twice led the league in HR.

Larkin. I wonder how he and Trammell split the SS vote? 2340 hits, 1995 MVP. In only one other year did he get top 10 in MVP. As Neyer points out, frequently injured. Only four years with 150 or more games played. .295, OPS+ 116. 379 SB. .338-0-3 in 17 postseason games. 3 gold gloves. 9 Silver Sluggers. Trammell hasn’t received a great deal of support, and should. So how will Larkin do?

Comparison Larkin .295/2340 hits/OPS+ 116 198 HR 379 SB 3 GG 1 MVP
Trammell .285/2365 hits/OPS+ 110 185 HR 236 SB 4 GG 1 WS MVP

Like I stated, do they take votes from each other? Trammell finished as MVP runnerup once and was top-10 three times.

Edgar Martinez. Being a DH for most of career will hurt. .312, 2247 hits, 309 HR, OPS+ 147. You can’t argue the BA and OPS+. 34 postseason games. .266-8-24. Two batting titles. 1 RBI title. It’ll be interesting to see how the DH is ranked with him.