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CC Officially Announces 2019 is it.

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CC Sabathia officially announced Saturday what was known for a while (since he signed his 2019 contract)—that 2019 will be his last season. CC turns 39 in July.

Here are the highlights of his career so far:

246 wins. Needs 4 for 250, 10 to tie Andy Pettitte on the all-time list.
2986 strikeouts. Needs 14 for 3000.

Cleveland 2001-2008, Milwaukee 2008, Yankees 2009-2019. If a Hall of Famer, it may be difficult to distinguish between Cleveland and the Yankees for the cap for the Hall of Fame Plaque (much like Mussina couldn’t decide between Baltimore and the Yankees).

6X All-Star. 2009 ALCS MVP. Won 1 WS (2009 Yankees). 2nd in ROY in 2001. Twice led the majors in wins (2009 and 2010). 21 game winner in 2010.

Led league in starts 2x, CG once, shutouts once. IP once. 2007 CYA winner.

Got MVP consideration 5x, finishing 6th in 2008. In 2008 he led the majors in GS, CG and IP (didn’t lead league because he split time between the AL and NL). CYA consideration 5X.

15 or more wins in a season 8X.

162 game average 16-10, 3.70, ERA+ 117.

10-7, 4.31 in the postseason.

.212-3-15 as a hitter.

With the Yankees, he’s had three careers.

The first of staff ace, 2009-2012, when he averaged 18-7, 3.22 in those four years.

The second of struggling, aging pitcher who appeared finished. From 2013-2015, he went 23-27, 4.81. An average of 8-9, 4.81 per season. He missed most of 2014.

He kicked alcohol addiction and reinvented himself from 2016-2018 to be a serviceable backend-of-the-rotation pitcher, going 32-24, 3.76 over the past three seasons. If he can maintain that average and go 11-8, 3.76 in 2019 as the #5 starter, I think we’ll take it.

Hall-of-Fame? We’ll see. Some votes have me confused.

For example

CC 16-10, 3.70 162 game average. ERA+ 117. 10-7, 4.31 postseason. 1 CYA, 5x MVP consideration.
Black ink 22/40 (2nd # average HOF); Gray ink 174/185; HOF standards 113/100, HOF monitor 46/50. He is ranked 71st in JAWS for Starting pitcher, and his WAR numbers are about 80% of the average Hall-of Famer. WAR numbers:  62.7/39.4/51 (HOF are 73.4/50/61.7 average). With 10 wins he matches Pettitte’s 256.

Andy Pettitte, meanwhile, averaged 17-10, 3.85, ERA+ 117. 19-11, 3.81 postseason. 5x WS Champ as opposed to CC’s once. Never won the CYA, finished 2nd once, considered for it 5x, same as CC. 3rd in ROY 1995. MVP consideration 2x (CC was 5). Pettitte won 20 games in a season twice (CC once). 8x 15 or more wins in a season (same as CC). But black ink 7/40; Gray ink 103/185 (both less than CC). HOF standards 128/100 (better); HOF monitor 44/50.   JAWS 90th. War numbers 60.2/34.1/47.2.

Andy is slightly below CC, but Andy only got 9.9% of the vote this year from the writers. The HGH usage hurt him. There is no HGH hints with CC, but if Andy got only 9.9% of the vote, how is CC THAT much better than Andy where CC gets the 75% or more to get in (he won’t be eligible until 2025).

This isn’t a knock on CC’s HOF credentials, but a puzzlement on Andy only getting 9.9%. Andy wasn’t a strikeout pitcher (didn’t get 2500 K, while CC is almost at 3000) but to me, there isn’t THAT much difference between the two ….

But then, you wonder …. CC at 246 wins … HOF or not? Andy 256 has a long way to go to get 75% of the writer’s vote. Mike Mussina with 270 wins finally got in on his sixth year on the ballot.

We’ll forget about Clemens and his 354 wins (Steroid allegations), but just note two others not in the Hall: Jim Kaat (283 wins) and Tommy John (288). In the cases of Kaat and John, maybe they hung on too long. Both pitched into their 40s and maybe that is what people remember the most—them hanging on possibly a bit too long. As for John, only two pitchers (Clemens with the steroid issue and Bobby Mathews, a pitcher from the 1870s and 1880s) have more wins but are not in the Hall. Only one more (Tony Mullane 1880s and 1890s) isn’t in the Hall before you get to Kaat.

Those pre-1900 pitchers are a far different breed and ballgame.

But still, I’m scratching my head over who is HOF material and who isn’t from those guys I listed.  It’s a fine line between them getting in or not.

 

 

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Mariano is unanimous! Joins Halladay, Edgar and Mussina in HOF class

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Mariano Rivera made history by becoming the first player unanimously elected by the writers to the baseball Hall of Fame.

Should others have been unanimous before? Sure. But what an honor.

The writers also elected the late Roy Halladay, along with Edgar Martinez and Mike Mussina.

The vote: You needed 75.0% or more. Mussina barely snuck in by seven votes. Under 5% and you are off the ballot. Fortunately, Andy Pettitte stays on.

Mariano Rivera: 425 votes (100%) — 1st year on ballot
Roy Halladay: 363 (85.4%) — 1st
Edgar Martinez: 363 (85.4%) — 10th
Mike Mussina: 326 (76.7%) — 6th
Curt Schilling: 259 (60.9%) — 6th
Roger Clemens: 253 (59.5%) — 7th
Barry Bonds: 251 (59.1%) — 7th
Larry Walker: 232 (54.6%) — 9th
Omar Vizquel: 182 (42.8%) — 2nd
Fred McGriff: 169 (39.8%) — 10th
Manny Ramirez: 97 (22.8%) — 3rd
Jeff Kent: 77 (18.1%) — 6th
Billy Wagner: 71 (16.7%) — 4th
Todd Helton: 70 (16.5%) — 1st
Scott Rolen: 73 (17.2%) — 2nd
Gary Sheffield: 58 (13.6%) — 5th
Andy Pettitte: 42 (9.9%) — 1st
Sammy Sosa: 36 (8.5%) — 7th
Andruw Jones: 32 (7.5%) — 2nd

——————— Falling off the ballot are:

Michael Young: 9 (2.1%) — 1st
Lance Berkman: 5 (1.2%) — 1st
Miguel Tejada: 5 (1.2%) — 1st
Roy Oswalt: 4 (0.9) — 1st
Placido Polanco: 2 (0.5) — 1st
Rick Ankiel: 0 –1st
Jason Bay: 0 –1st
Freddy Garcia: 0 –1st
Jon Garland: 0 –1st
Travis Hafner: 0 –1st
Ted Lilly: 0 –1st
Derek Lowe: 0 –1st
Darren Oliver: 0 –1st
Juan Pierre: 0 –1st
Vernon Wells: 0 –1st

I’d like to know who the hell voted for Placido Polanco. Really? Turn in your credentials, please.

A brief summary of the four new Hall of Famers.

Rivera. A record 652 saves. 13x All Star. 5x WS Champ. 1999 WS MVP. 2003 ALCS MVP. Led the majors in saves 3x. 2.21 career ERA. Record 205 ERA+. Record 42 postseason saves. 8-1, with an amazing 0.70 ERA in the postseason, and that too, is a record for someone who threw an x amount (I believe it’s 30 or more) postseason innings. 1995-2013 NY Yankees. 6x CYA consideration, runnerup once. MVP consideration 9x, including two top-10 finishes.

Edgar Martinez. Probably the toughest batter Mariano ever faced. 1987-2004 Seattle Mariners. 7x All Star. 5x Silver Slugger. 2 batting titles. Mostly a DH. .312 career batting average. Led league in runs scored once, doubles twice. RBI once. 100 or more RBI in a season 6x. Hit .300 or better 10x. 309 career HR. 147 career OPS+. 5x MVP consideration, twice in the top 10. .266 in the postseason with 8 HR.

Halladay. 203 career wins. CYA in each league. 2x CYA winner, 2 more runnerup finishes. 8x All Star. Perfect game. Postseason no-hitter. 3x 20-game winner. 3.38 ERA. ERA+ 131. Led league in wins 2x, games started once. Complete games 7x. Shutouts 4x. Innings pitched 4x.  7x CYA consideration, 2x top-10 MVP. 3-2, 2.37 in the postseason. 1998-2009 Blue Jays, 2010-2013 Phillies. Killed piloting his plane at the age of 40 in November 2017. I would think he would enter the HOF as a Blue Jay, since he had much more time with them.

Mussina. 270 career wins. Orioles 1991-2000, Yankees 2001-2008. 20 game winner once, in his final season, when he also led the league in games started (He did that twice). 5x All Star. 7 Gold Gloves. Led league in wins once, winning % once. Shutouts once, innings pitched once. ERA+ of 123, ERA 3.68 pitching in the AL East in home parks that were home run havens. 9x CYA consideration, runnerup once. MVP consideration 3x. 7-8, 3.42 in the postseason. He has said that he can’t decide between the Orioles and Yankees and may go in with a blank cap out of respect for both franchises.

If I missed something on the four above, forgive me. Just a brief thumbnail highlight for each. Can’t write forever!

The HOF tracker got about 55% of the vote that was publicized. Of the 45% not publicized, those writers were tougher and numbers went down. They also weren’t as kind to the steroid guys like Clemens, Bonds and Manny Ramirez. The 55% publicized had Schilling, Clemens and Bonds around 72%. You can see they all wound up with about 59-60%. Larry Walker was around 65%, wound up with 54.6%. Numbers are usually lower than what the tracker shows, steroids or no steroids. Halladay and Martinez were running on the tracker at 94 and 90%, both got 85%. Mussina was running at 81% and made it by seven votes at the 76.7%.

Of course, Mo stayed consistent, getting every vote.

With Bonds and Clemens gaining little from last year, it appears that neither will get in via the writers, and the veterans committee of former players years down the road may be a tougher row to hoe because those players may have an even bigger axe to grind against players who cheated against them.

Now will Derek Jeter next year be the SECOND unanimously elected player?

In other news…. Al Leiter is leaving the YES network to spend more time with his family. He will still do work for the MLB network.

HOF ballots announced tomorrow.

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Just a reminder. The new HOF class selected by the writers will be announced tomorrow night at 6 PM.

 

 We know Mo is a certainty, Fingers crossed for Mussina, and also for Pettitte to stay on the ballot.

With 52.7% of the vote known (you need 75.0 or better to get in, and need 5% to stay on the ballot)

Mo 100%
Halladay 92.6%
Edgar Martinez 90.8%
Mussina 81.6%

Clemens 71%
Schilling and Bonds 70.5%
Walker 65.4$

Pettitte 6.9%

 

UPDATE: Wow. Just found out Boston Globe’s Dan Shaughnessy only voted for ONE person.   Mo.

Mo still at 100% but why no love for Andy?

With the baseball HOF votes from writers that are known, Mariano Rivera is still tracking at 100%, meaning he COULD become the first unanimous selection ever. About 45% of the vote is known, and so far Mo is a unanimous choice.

But…. Andy Pettitte is only tracking at 6.5%. To stay ON the ballot, a player must receive 5%.

Why no love for Andy?

256 wins. Granted the ERA is high at 3.85 but being the steroids era and the ballpark he pitched in, his ERA+  is 117, 17% above league average.

He was 19-11 in the postseason. No one pitched more postseason innings (granted it is a different era, Whitey Ford never had wild card games, Division Series, ALCS to go through) but Andy Pettitte was a big game pitcher, going 19-11, 3.81 in the postseason, and was the ALCS MVP in 2001.

He started 44 postseason games. In half of them, he was still pitching in the seventh inning, and allowed 2 runs or less in those games. Half of his starts. In about 1/3 of those postseason starts, he allowed 1 run of fewer. Think about that.

Never-mind Grahame Lloyd, Ramiro Mendoza, Flash Gordon, Mike Stanton or Mariano Rivera or others. Pettitte was still on the mound in that seventh inning.

Clutch.

Per MLB’s Brian Kenny:

 

A 3x All-Star, 5x WS Champ. Pettitte also pitched in 3 WS that his teams lost (2001 and 2003 Yankees, 2005 Astros).

Yes, there is the allegations of HGH usage which Andy didn’t use all the time, but he admitted to using to get over an injury. A mistake, but if he only used it that once ….

As opposed to people (like Clemens) who it is said, used it ALL the time late in their careers. But Clemens, along with Barry Bonds  (another steroids cheat), is running at over 70%. Both Clemens and Bonds are close to that 75% threshold, and Manny Ramirez, who was suspended 2x and caught 3x (he retired after being caught the third time) is also running far above Pettitte, who, as we know was NOT a constant abuser as Clemens, Bonds and Manny appear to be.

One writer and MLB member, who I despise, voted for Bonds, Clemens and Manny, but not for Pettitte.

Sigh. I wonder if he cheated to get HIS job.

Pettitte’s character isn’t a question. Unlike some other guys, Andy is one of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet.

A staple of 5 WS Championship teams. Appeared in 8 WS. It seemed like every time you looked up, you saw Andy pitching a postseason game (and don’t get me started on the HOF qualifications of the Big 3—-Reynolds, Raschi and Lopat who are also overlooked).

If Andy is being given the shaft because of PED and his association with Clemens, then why is he at 6.5% and Clemens at 73.1% (75.00 or over gets you in, no rounding off).

I do want to make a very important point. This isn’t to say that I think Pettitte is or is not a Hall of Famer, just that he should be getting far more consideration than (at present) 6.5% of the vote (under 5% kicks him off the ballot).

But let’s compare Pettitte to some other pitchers. (Names at the end)

  1. MVP. 7 x CYA. 2 X Pitching Triple Crown. 11x All Star. 7x ERA title. 354 wins. 2x WS Champ. Average 162 g. season 17-9 3.12, ERA+ 143. JAWS has 3rd greatest starting pitcher ever. Postseason record 12-8, 3.75. 6x 20 game winner.   CLEMENS
    Accused of Steroid abuse.
  2. 216 wins. 6x All-star, 3X WS champ.  WS MVP, NLCS MVP. 162 game ave. 15-10, 3.46, ERA+ 127. 3x CYA runnerup. 11-2, 2.23 in the postseason. Won 20 games 3x. Considered 27th best starting pitcher ever.  SCHILLING, whose politics tick off some people.
  3. 270 wins. Average year 17-10, 3.68, ERA+ 123. 5x All Star, never won a WS title. 1x 20 game winner. Postseason record of 7-8, 3.42.  MUSSINA 29th JAWS
  4. 3x All-star, 5x WS champ. 256 wins. Average 162 game yr. 17-10, 3.85, ERA+ 117.  Postseason record 19-11, 3.81. 2x 20 game winner. Jaws ranking #90.  PETTITTE.
  5. ACTIVE. CC   162 g average 16-10, 3.70, ERA+ 117. CYA,. 6x AS, 1x WS champ. 246 wins. Jaws has at #71 all time. CC.  Postseason 10-7, 4.31, JAWS #71
  6. 243 wins. 10 x all star, 1 ERA Title. 6x  20 game winner. 162 g. ave. 18-10, 2.89, ERA+ 123. Jaws ranking #42 MARICHAL. Postseason 0-1, 1.50 (just two games).
  7. 254 wins. Average year 16-12, 3.90. 5x AS, 3x WS champ. WS MVP. Average year 16-12, 3.90, ERA+ 105. Postseason 7-4, 3.80. Jaws #163. Yup, you read that right. 163. Jack Morris.

#4 above is Pettitte.

I am not saying Andy deserves the HOF. I am saying that the 6.5% he is getting right now, which leaves him in danger of being left off the ballot, is far too low. He has numbers comparable to people already in the HOF, or those seriously being considered.

If it is the admission to limited usage of PEDS, then why the support for Clemens, who is rumored to be a constant user late in his career?

I don’t get it.

Now there is no I in TEAM, but … the greatest team I ever saw in my lifetime was the 1998 Yankees, who it seems will have only 3 HOF from that team and one is manager Joe Torre. The others, Mo and Jeter. (Yes, Tim Raines is in, but for deeds he did other than with the Yankees, for he was at the end of his career as a platoon OF in 1998 with the Yanks and I am not considering him since he was a part-timer in 1998.)

But other than Mo, Jeter (next yr. first year on ballot) and Torre:

Posada 3.8% first yr., off the ballot.
Tino 1.0% first yr., off the ballot.
Pettitte currently running at 6.5%
Bernie Williams 9.6 then 3.3%. Only on ballot 2 years.
O’Neill 2.2% One and done.
Wells 0.9% (239 career wins, 10-5, 3.17 postseason) 3x AS, 2X WS. ERA+ 108. One and done.
Cone 5x AS, 5 WS champs, 8-3. 3.80 postseason, 194 career wins, ERA+ 121. 3.9% one and done

So one of the greatest teams EVER has Posada, Tino, Bernie, O’Neill, David Wells, David Cone and now possibly Andy Pettitte where EACH of them may be off the HOF ballot in two years or less. This from a team that is one of only four teams ever to win three consecutive WS titles.

The only HOF are RIvera, Jeter, and the manager, Torre? (see what I said about Raines above).

Ok. This team won 3 in a row, 1998-2000.

The 1936-1939 Yankees have DiMaggio, Gehrig, Gomez, Ruffing, Lazzeri/Gordon (Gordon replaced Lazzeri in 1938). Dickey and McCarthy.

The 1949-1953 Yankees have Stengel, Yogi, Ford, Mantle, DiMaggio, Berra, Rizzuto, Mize (at the end of his career, part-timer). See above about Reynolds, Raschi and Lopat.

The 1972-1974 A’s have Hunter, Jackson, manager Dick Williams, Rollie Fingers. Guys like Bando, Campaneris, Rudi, Blue and Holtzman in the good but not HOF camp.

The 1927-1928 Yanks only won two in a row, but have Gehrig, Lazzeri, Hoyt, Pennock, Huggins, Combs and Ruth.

But the 1998 Yanks only have Mo, Jeter and Torre?  Really?

Ok, on to the current…

Bill Madden of the NY Daily News states that along with Robertson, Gray was the one who screwed many Yankees’ employees out of postseason shares, another reason they would like him gone.

Rumors are that the Yanks could be more enamored with Nolan Arenado than with Manny Machado. Arenado is a free agent after 2019, and appears to be going to arbitration. He wants $30MM, the Rox offer is $24MM. Now say the Rox will move him b/c they fear getting nothing for him.

If the Yanks agree with Arenado (who has won the Gold Glove each of his six years in the majors, along with a doubles title, 2 RBI titles, 3 HR titles, 2 total bases titles) to a contract extension and Arenado then does NOT hit the free agent market after 2019, could he then join ex-Rockies teammates LeMahieu, Tulo and Ottavino? Let’s say the Yanks give up Andujar, a minor league pitching prospect (Cessa or Adams, I want to keep Loaisiga and King) and Ellsbury.

You give up Ellsbury in order to have the Rox p/u a little of his salary in return for how much you have to pay Arenado.

Even if that little is 1/3 ($7MM) that helps.

Also, by getting rid of Ellsbury, you clear Clint Frazier to platoon with Brett Gardner in LF.

Just a thought.

The Waiting is the Hardest Part

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Apologies to the late Tom Petty for the headline. And yes, I know I haven’t written anything in ten days or so.

But nothing has been going on, what with the holidays and all.

And I don’t want to deal or write about rumors. Where someone is going, how much $, how many years —- I want to deal with the facts and then give my opinion.

Just writing about rumors and something that may not happen is fruitless.

Some free agents did sign recently—-no, not Machado (we are still waiting on that) or Harper.

From Twitter, a great example of how Yankees’ fans are feeling right now:

But Japan’s LHP Yusei Kikuchi signed with Seattle on a 4-yr. deal. DH/OF Nelson Cruz to the Twins on a 1-yr. $14.3 MM deal.

There is a HOF tracker that has 1/3 of the votes counted. You need 75% of the writer’s vote to get in. Not 74.8 (they don’t round up) but 75% or more. So far …

Rivera 100%, Halladay 94.9, Edgar Martinez 91.2, Mussina 83.2 and Clemens a nail-biter at 75.2.

Barry Bonds 74.5, Schilling 73, Larry Walker 65.7.

Andy Pettitte is only at 8%.

And oh yeah, Sonny Gray is still a Yankee. Not dealt yet.

Nothing on Ottavino, Robertson or Britton either.

More when things DO develop.

Minor League Report. (Also, some Yankees news).

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For the second time this month, the Yanks had to spend overnight at an airport. Last night, after taking off, it was discovered that there was a malfunction, the plane had to return to Dallas and the Yanks once again had to wait hours at the airport before leaving. This happened last week in Washington, now again. Luckily both occurrences were before off-days, but the Yanks came out flat in KC after it happened. What about tomorrow vs. the Angels? At least tomorrow (Friday) the ace, Severino, is pitching.

Some interesting tidbits about Old-Timer’s Day this year. Andy Pettitte and Jason Giambi will be there. Jim Leyritz is pissed because he didn’t get an invite.

Boston lost, so the lead Boston has over the Yanks is down to one. Boston is 34-16, the Yanks 31-15. So the Yanks are actually one up in the loss column, having played four less games. So if the Yanks, in those four extra games they have, go 3-1, they would be even with Boston.

He was not there long. Ryan Bollinger, brought up yesterday, was immediately sent back down. Reason? Tommy Kahnle is expected to be reactivated tomorrow.

Now for Saturday, it gets interesting, because Greg Bird is expected back on Saturday. But who does he replace? Tyler Austin? In 28 games, 101 at bats, Austin is hitting only .238, but has 8 HR, 23 RBI and has an OPS+ of 118, 18% above league average. The walk/k ratio isn’t good at 7/41, and the average isn’t hot, but it would be a tough send-down for someone with an 118 OPS+, 8 HR and 23 RBI.

Nick Swisher is with the Yanks, basically as a “scout”.

AAA: SWB (21-24) won 3-1. SS Tyler Wade (.228) 2 hits. 1B Greg Bird 1 for 5, RBI. 2B Billy Fleming 2 hits. RF L.J. Mazzilli 2 hits.

Keep an eye on Josh Rogers. If the Yanks need an emergency starter, he may be called up before Justus Sheffield. LHP, 23, 24 in July.

Rogers (W, 4-3, 2.80) 6 1/3, 1 R, 4 H, 3 W, 6 K.
Feyereisen (H, 1) 1 2/3 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 0 W, 1 K. 2.18
Coshow (S, 2) 1 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 0 W, 2 K. 2.21

AA: Trenton (27-19) lost 1-0, getting just three hits.

Keller (L, 4-3, 3.11) 6 IP, 1 R, 5 H, 2 W, 6 K. Gave up 1 HR.
Frawley 2 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 0 W, 2 K. 2.45

High A: Tampa (24-21) lost 9-1.

3B Angel Aguilar HR. RF Alexander Palma and CF Dom Thompson-Williams 2 hits each.

Nelson (L, 1-2 6.89) 2 2/3 IP, 7 R, 4 H, 4 W, 3 K
Trieglaff 2 1/3 IP, 1 R, 4 H, 1 W, 3 K. Gave up 1 HR. 2.70
Young 3 IP,  1 R, 3 H, 4 W, 3 K.    5.63

Low A: Charleston (20-25) rained out.

 

 

Next year’s HOF ballot. Mo! Pettitte? Mussina? Other Yankees’ news.

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So this year’s HOF class has been chosen.

Personally, I hope to see if a bus is going up to the 2019 induction. I’d love to be there for Mo.

The main candidates for the summer of 2019 are:

Off this year’s ballot? Edgar Martinez, who will be on his last year, and Ex-Oriole AND Yankee Mike Mussina, who has a couple of years left and who is trending upward.

It looks like Bonds, Clemens and Schilling are stalling out in the 50’s, whereas 75% is needed for induction.

Of course, 2019 is Mo. He comes on the ballot for the first time and the only question is how many huckleberrys don’t vote for him.

He is a slam dunk. I would love to be there. Book your busses now. Maybe Mo and Moose?

Pettitte is also on the 2019 ballot, and it’s his first year. He has serious credentials, 256 wins, 19 more in the postseason, but the HGH admission will hurt him.

Other new candidates on the 2019 ballot that will merit serious consideration are Lance Berkman, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay and Todd Helton.

The Yanks also announced that P.J Pilittere (sp.?) will join Marcus Thames as a hitting coach. So manager Aaron Boone, it seems, has Pilittere and Thames (hitting coaches), Josh Bard (bench coach), Reggie Willets 1B coach, Mike Harkey BP and Larry Rothschild pitching, Phil Nevin 3B coach, and Carlos Mendoza infield coach.